Comments on: Leaky Logic: Taking the Boat out of Boat People http://theangle.org/2009/11/02/leaky-logic-taking-the-boat-out-of-boat-people/ Independent Australasian news and analysis Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:42:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Karen Eliot http://theangle.org/2009/11/02/leaky-logic-taking-the-boat-out-of-boat-people/comment-page-1/#comment-19128 Karen Eliot Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:03:54 +0000 http://theangle.org/?p=1196#comment-19128 One thing is for sure is that there needs to be a different treatment of people who have committed no crime and are treated worse than criminals with less rights when they are locked up in detainment camps. This causes life scaring trauma for people who have already suffered a great deal of trauma already. here are a few relevent facts on refugees in australia; 'Australia?s numbers are small in absolute terms as well.? Australia may have received around 1,700 asylum seekers by boat so far this year, but this is tiny compared to other countries.? Italy alone received 36,000 boat arrivals in 2008.? Most asylum seekers prefer to go to the United States (who received 49,000 asylum seekers in 2008), Canada (36,900), France (35,200), Italy (31,200) and the United Kingdom (30,500).' Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention and the Indonesian government does not offer?real protection or durable solutions for refugees there.? Firstly, asylum seekers are detained indefinitely in 'hugely overcrowded' detention centres in 'horrendous conditions', according to one Australian researcher.? They are detained until their claim is finalised by the UNHCR office in Indonesia - a process which takes, on average, 10 years in Indonesia.? Secondly, even when someone is registered by UNHCR as a refugee, they are not permitted to seek employment, send their children to school, apply for family reunion or apply for residency.? Clearly, Indonesia is not yet at a stage where they can offer refugees their human rights. <a href="http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresources_factsandstatistics.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresou...</a> ASYLUM SEEKER FIGURES: HOW DOES AUSTRALIA COMPARE INTERNATIONALLY? <a href="http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/how-we-compare-internationally.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/how-we-com...</a> One thing is for sure is that there needs to be a different treatment of people who have committed no crime and are treated worse than criminals with less rights when they are locked up in detainment camps. This causes life scaring trauma for people who have already suffered a great deal of trauma already.

here are a few relevent facts on refugees in australia;
'Australia?s numbers are small in absolute terms as well.? Australia may have received around 1,700 asylum seekers by boat so far this year, but this is tiny compared to other countries.? Italy alone received 36,000 boat arrivals in 2008.? Most asylum seekers prefer to go to the United States (who received 49,000 asylum seekers in 2008), Canada (36,900), France (35,200), Italy (31,200) and the United Kingdom (30,500).'

Indonesia is not a signatory to the Refugee Convention and the Indonesian government does not offer?real protection or durable solutions for refugees there.? Firstly, asylum seekers are detained indefinitely in 'hugely overcrowded' detention centres in 'horrendous conditions', according to one Australian researcher.? They are detained until their claim is finalised by the UNHCR office in Indonesia – a process which takes, on average, 10 years in Indonesia.? Secondly, even when someone is registered by UNHCR as a refugee, they are not permitted to seek employment, send their children to school, apply for family reunion or apply for residency.? Clearly, Indonesia is not yet at a stage where they can offer refugees their human rights. http://www.ajustaustralia.com/informationandresou…

ASYLUM SEEKER FIGURES: HOW DOES AUSTRALIA COMPARE
INTERNATIONALLY? http://www.asrc.org.au/media/documents/how-we-com…

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